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My answer to You!Geetha Sambasivamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05745603880662931634noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-33126235457549478332008-06-20T02:18:00.000+05:302008-06-20T02:18:00.000+05:30சங்குமுகம்! உங்க கருத்து நல்லாத்தான் இருக்கு, ஆனா ...சங்குமுகம்! உங்க கருத்து நல்லாத்தான் இருக்கு, ஆனா அதிலே ஒண்ணு புரியல!! நீங்க கீதாம்மா கருத்துக்கு எதிர் கருத்தா சொல்லறதா இருந்தா இங்க சொல்லலாம். ஆனா வால்மீகிக்கு எதிர்கருத்தா சொல்றதா இருந்தா உங்களுக்கு இருக்கும் தகுதிக்கும் திறமைக்கும் தனி வலைப்பூ ஆரம்பித்து சொல்ல வேண்டியது தானே நியாயம்! <BR/><BR/>அங்க வந்து நாங்க உங்க கருத்துக்கு எதிர் கருத்தோ அல்லதுஒத்துக்கொண்டோ நடந்துப்போமே! இங்கே கீதாமாவுக்காக ஏகப்பட்ட பேர் இருக்கிறோம். அவங்க எழுத்து நடையையும் "எடுத்து" சொல்ல வரும் கருத்தையும் கேட்கவே!!!நல்லா கவனிங்க "எடுத்து" சொல்ல அதாவது நாங்க விரும்பினபடி வால்மீகி ராமாயனத்தை சொல்லி கொண்டு இருக்கின்றார்கள். அதிலே உங்க கருத்தை திணிக்க வேண்டிய அவசியம் என்ன என்ரு தெரியவில்லையே எனக்கு!!!<BR/><BR/>கண்டிப்பக ஒரு வலைப்பூ தொடங்கவும்! வருகின்றோம் அங்கேயும்!!!!அபி அப்பாhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14263111725766945786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-32817890579185903522008-06-13T15:28:00.000+05:302008-06-13T15:28:00.000+05:30திரு சங்குமுகம் பல விஷயங்களை தொட்டு இருக்கிறார்.இவ...திரு சங்குமுகம் பல விஷயங்களை தொட்டு இருக்கிறார்.<BR/>இவற்றில் பல விஷயங்களை நான் ஒத்துக்கலை. ஆனாலும் 2-3 விஷய்ம் மட்டுமே சுட்டி காட்ட விரும்பறேன்.<BR/><BR/>Your niir is selectively channelled and will irrigate only the arable fields which are already awash with abundant supply of water. The barren lands, as they are condemned to be barren by cruel fate or man-made cruelty, is out of your reckoning completely.<BR/><BR/>விளையற வயலுக்கு தண்ணி பாச்ச கூடாதா? என்னதான் பண்ணனும்னு சொல்லறீங்க? <BR/>இல்லை கணினி வெச்சு வலைல வலைப்பூ படிக்கிற அல்லாரும் அறிவாளிகளா? ஆன்மீகவாதிகளா? பாட புத்தகம் மட்டுமே படிக்க கட்டாயப்படுத்தற காலத்துல இந்த விஷயங்களை யார் எப்ப எங்க படிச்சு புரிஞ்சுப்பாங்க? அதுவும் இப்பவேதான் படிக்கணுமா? இன்னும் 15 வருஷம் கழிச்சு என் பேரன் கூகுள் பண்ணாலும் இந்த பக்கங்கள் கிடைக்குமே? அவனும் படிக்க முடியுமே?<BR/><BR/>According to me, there is no quarantee that reading any religious epics can make one good. If a person is good, he is already good.<BR/><BR/>ஆஹா? உங்க வய்சு என்ன? என்னைப்போல நரை போட்ட பிறகு மக்கள் எப்படியெல்லாம் மாறறாங்கன்னு புரியுமோ என்னவோ?<BR/>கியாரண்டி எல்லாம் எதுக்குமேதான் கிடையாது. நாளை காலை நீங்களோ நானோ படுக்கையை விட்டு எழுந்திருப்போம்னு கியாரண்டி உண்டா?<BR/>Here, she says that the books should not be taken literally valid line by line. There are things which need to be chopped off. Maybe, they are not so many.<BR/><BR/>அப்படி சொன்னதா தெரியலையே? அது உங்க இன்டர்பிரடேஷன் போல இருக்கு. படிக்கிரப்ப சில விஷயங்கள் மனசில பதியும் பலதும் பதியாது. சிலது அப்பீல் ஆகும் பலதும் அப்பீல் ஆகாது. கிடைச்ச வரை லாபம்.<BR/><BR/>Now, coming to your discourses, while you do agree that the book should not be accepted in toto blindly, yet, do you show such discernment and discrimination in your blog? If no, your reproduction of the epic defeats your noble intention.<BR/><BR/>கதையை வால்மீகி சொன்னபடியேதானே சொல்ல முடியும்? வேற மாதிரி சொல்ல முடியுமா? இது கீதாராமாயணம் இல்லையே?<BR/><BR/>இத்தோட நிறுத்திக்கிறேன். நன்றி!திவாண்ணாhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134281806497616503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-2360317420830472592008-06-13T10:02:00.000+05:302008-06-13T10:02:00.000+05:30ஒண்ணியும் புரியலை !!ஒண்ணியும் புரியலை !!இலவசக்கொத்தனார்https://www.blogger.com/profile/03118144128803029623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-60266148804303574012008-06-13T04:41:00.000+05:302008-06-13T04:41:00.000+05:30\\ambi said... @geetha madam, This is One of your ...\\ambi said... <BR/>@geetha madam, This is One of your best post, i say.<BR/><BR/>All questions has been answered very honestly and clearly with quotes from dignified people. you could have published Mr.shangumuham's comment in the blog and replied him as a separate post as you had done now. <BR/><BR/>@shangumuham, A post without comments doesn't mean that it was not at all read by anybody and true readers never praise the author in public. :)<BR/>\\<BR/><BR/>வழிமொழிகிறேன் ;)<BR/><BR/>உங்கள் பதில்களை படிக்கும் போது மிகவும் பெருமையாக இருக்கு. உங்களுக்கு என் பணிவான வணக்கங்கள் ;)கோபிநாத்https://www.blogger.com/profile/01784652443079812034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-7249346999451472592008-06-12T19:11:00.000+05:302008-06-12T19:11:00.000+05:30மேலும் நெல் அறுவடை செய்கின்றோம். நெல்மணிகளை மட்டும...மேலும் நெல் அறுவடை செய்கின்றோம். நெல்மணிகளை மட்டுமே எடுத்துக் கொண்டு வைக்கோலைத் தள்ளுகின்றோம் அல்லவா? எத்தனை விஞ்ஞான புத்தகங்கள், எத்தனை இலக்கிய, மொழி சார்ந்த, சாராத புத்தகங்கள் படிக்கின்றோம்? அவற்றில் எது நமக்குத் தேவையோ அதை மட்டுமே எடுத்துக் கொள்கின்றோம் அல்லவா? என்ன செய்தாலும், எதைச் செய்தாலும், எப்படிச் செய்தாலும் நமக்குத் தேவையானவற்றை மட்டுமே எடுத்துக் கொள்ளுகின்றோம். தேவை இல்லாதவற்றைத் தள்ளுகின்றோம். அன்றாட வாழ்வில் இப்படி நமக்குத் தேவையானதையே சிந்திக்கும், நாம் ஏன் புராண, இதிகாசங்களில் மட்டும் வரிக்கு வரி, சொல்லுக்குச் சொல் எல்லாமே சரியாக இருக்க வேண்டும் என எதிர்பார்க்க வேண்டும்?? அவற்றில் நமக்கு எது தேவையோ அதை மட்டுமே எடுத்துக் கொள்ளவேண்டும், அது தான் சரி இல்லையா?? <BR/><BR/><BR/>It is something rare to find above confession in aanmiiga bloggers. One is accustomed to see them fanatical about their religion; and its texts. Here, she says that the books should not be taken literally valid line by line. There are things which need to be chopped off. Maybe, they are not so many.<BR/><BR/>So, it is our business to take only those things which we like and get benefited. A nice point, indeed!<BR/><BR/>I fully agree with your broadmindedness. But still I wonder, how can an ordinary man be able to differntiate wheat from chaff in such books? Not all of us are endowed with the same ability of discrimination and discernment, arent we, Geetha?<BR/><BR/>By producing verbatim translations of Valmiiki Ramayana, is it possible to be guided properly? Isn't it like walking over landmines although such mines are few and far between, and almost rare?<BR/><BR/>Please remember, the Ramaayana is prescibed to school children in all schools, except the schools runs by Christians and Muslims, in States ruled by BJP and also, in Delhi ruled by Congress. It is not a new development as I understand. For many decades, the children have been reading the book as part of their curriculam.<BR/><BR/>But the Raamaayana is called Spasht Ramaayanaa. 'Essential Ramaayana'. It expunges all that has sexual connotations, war mongering, and things which are repugnant to modern scientific temper, and can be understood only by adult minds. They retain only those things that are required for the story, and also, attacks the minds of children.<BR/><BR/>Now, coming to your discourses, while you do agree that the book should not be accepted in toto blindly, yet, do you show such discernment and discrimination in your blog? If no, your reproduction of the epic defeats your noble intention.SANGKUMUHAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14301802393216084792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-24243264667560448312008-06-12T18:53:00.000+05:302008-06-12T18:53:00.000+05:30The contents of Ramaayaana are not questioned by m...The contents of Ramaayaana are not questioned by me. I have read just two versions of the book: one in Tamil by Rajaji; one in English by R.K.Naarayan. I know the story.<BR/><BR/>My point is not about what is said in the book. Rather, it is to say that without reading such books, it is possible to be a good husband, a good son, a good brother etc. <BR/><BR/>People have become more clever nowadays. The effect of such books is minimal today. All Indians know more or less the story of Ramayanaa. Most Hindus know it deeper from direct sources; from explicators etc. Have we become good? Have all of them become good?<BR/><BR/>According to me, there is no quarantee that reading any religious epics can make one good. If a person is good, he is already good. <BR/><BR/>If someone says he has become good after reading such books, such persons are rare; or, form a minuscule minority. <BR/><BR/>A St Augustine, who was a libertine, and St Arunagiri, who was a womaniser, or St Thirumankai, also a womaniser, could turn over new lives in thier private lives and become saints. They are miracle humans. Not all of us.<BR/><BR/>Life has become so different today, and any amount of discourses cant change the mentality.<BR/><BR/>But you have great hopes. May hopes remain! Why not?SANGKUMUHAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14301802393216084792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-35758396309883253872008-06-12T18:37:00.000+05:302008-06-12T18:37:00.000+05:30Will reading the Ramayanam make one a good person?...Will reading the Ramayanam make one a good person? It is my question.<BR/><BR/>Your answer is, yes, it will. Not only to individuals; but to rulers too. <BR/><BR/>But you have forgotten to answer the secondary part of the Question about a man whose life is consumed in cares and worries of his duties as a father. He is poor, he is unlettered; and he has no time.<BR/><BR/>You say, you are rendering a great service through these discourses; and you want to bring the epical truths to the young generations.<BR/><BR/>In order to benefit from your services, I must be computer-saavy, lettered in Tamil, and some English too, have enough time on hand, and such relaxation as can help me sit before a PC - which I must own, afte spending many thousands of hard-earned rupees, which could have helped me buy some feeding bottles to my babies.<BR/><BR/>Your niir is selectively channelled and will irrigate only the arable fields which are already awash with abundant supply of water. The barren lands, as they are condemned to be barren by cruel fate or man-made cruelty, is out of your reckoning completely. How idyllic!<BR/><BR/> 'Measuring life in coffee spoons<BR/> Talking of Michangello'<BR/><BR/>Have you observed that?SANGKUMUHAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14301802393216084792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-52842493549111888952008-06-12T18:22:00.000+05:302008-06-12T18:22:00.000+05:30The blogger writes:First of all, I never asked you...The blogger writes:<BR/><BR/>First of all, I never asked you to read them all. And I am not going to people and asking them to read this, or that. If you are interested in the subject, read it. I am not asking people to comment in favour of it also. <BR/><BR/>The above is in response to my statement:<BR/><BR/>But I dont know why I have read them at all.<BR/><BR/>How did you infer that I am complaining that you have compelled me to read your Ramayanam discourses?<BR/><BR/>Yours is a blog open to all. Anyone can enter, read and feedback. Either negatively or in favour! Further, you can censore the feedback if you so desire. There is no room for complain from either side: you or the reader!<BR/><BR/>My statement is, what is called, auto-question. You would have avoided it and gone to other contents in my post, which you have done, thanks.SANGKUMUHAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14301802393216084792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-32345173341140776672008-06-12T18:16:00.000+05:302008-06-12T18:16:00.000+05:30you could have published Mr.shangumuham's comment ...you could have published Mr.shangumuham's comment in the blog and replied him as a separate post as you had done now. <BR/><BR/>@shangumuham, A post without comments doesn't mean that it was not at all read by anybody and true readers never praise the author in public. :)<BR/><BR/>This is from Mr Ambi.<BR/><BR/>My feeback does appear in full, thanks to the broadmindedness of the blogger, in the posting to which the feeback refers. And, here, she is replying by creating a separate post. What is the problem, Mr Ambi. I dont understand what you mean.<BR/><BR/>Your direct address to me in the second para baffles me. Is it appropriate to the context? One other feebacker quotes this confusion and asks: repeat! Confusion confounded!! For me. I dont know about others.SANGKUMUHAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14301802393216084792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-4679827075341579762008-06-12T18:05:00.000+05:302008-06-12T18:05:00.000+05:30Geetha,It is so noble of you to collect and g...Geetha,<BR/>It is so noble of you to collect and give Ramayanam in this beautifully written Tamil.<BR/>this effort is not waste. <BR/>It does not mean anything if there is no comment.<BR/>Imagine the fate of Valmiki Maharishi if he had thought that since no one will take interest in his Ithihaasam,he would not give it to the world.<BR/>God Bless you ma. வல்லிசிம்ஹன்https://www.blogger.com/profile/16134523802061725609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-49034211522641223102008-06-12T15:54:00.000+05:302008-06-12T15:54:00.000+05:30GeethammaAwesome reply! More than that, honest rep...Geethamma<BR/>Awesome reply! More than that, honest reply!<BR/>You summed up so many thoughts running in my mind. <BR/><BR/>@Shangumukam ayya<BR/>//use of all these luxuriating books//<BR/><BR/>Moral values never stick to a person by preaching, but only by reaching!<BR/>More than the preach content of these stories, it is the impression that it creates in the wavering mind!<BR/><BR/>Unnaal mudiyum thambi padathil maram nadum kizhavar-ai ninaivukku kondu vaanga. <BR/>He doesnt know when the tree is going to bear fruit or to whom it is going to bear to.<BR/><BR/>He might see the fruit for himself or it might be there for some unknown face. But that doesnt prevent him from planting the tree. Men may come and men go, but these books go on forever!Kannabiran, Ravi Shankar (KRS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01067400922164932493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-79645411319216460952008-06-12T15:14:00.000+05:302008-06-12T15:14:00.000+05:30//All questions has been answered very honestly an...//All questions has been answered very honestly and clearly with quotes from dignified people. you could have published Mr.shangumuham's comment in the blog and replied him as a separate post as you had done now. <BR/><BR/>@shangumuham, A post without comments doesn't mean that it was not at all read by anybody and true readers never praise the author in public. :)//<BR/><BR/>ரிப்பீட்டேஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏஏமெளலி (மதுரையம்பதி)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11080815630200410841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675072.post-69243274778550901842008-06-12T11:01:00.000+05:302008-06-12T11:01:00.000+05:30@geetha madam, This is One of your best post, i sa...@geetha madam, This is One of your best post, i say.<BR/><BR/> All questions has been answered very honestly and clearly with quotes from dignified people. you could have published Mr.shangumuham's comment in the blog and replied him as a separate post as you had done now. <BR/><BR/>@shangumuham, A post without comments doesn't mean that it was not at all read by anybody and true readers never praise the author in public. :)ambihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00015917413005503394noreply@blogger.com